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Carol Smaldino LCSW's avatar

This conversation was too short. But I will buy the book, also because it stands to illuminate how we have coldly consented to genocides in the dark, without explicitness. At the same time, most Americans have perpetually held on to the notion of the land of the free and home of the brave.

Trump is not a new phenomenon, at least so it seems. He is bringing out the worst in us, and hopefully, we will focus on getting to know the parts of our history and ourselves that he is provoking. He does not have that motivation, but we need the realism offered by you and Professor Grandin so that we understand the history of our country's cold brutality towards people, which seemed to stand in the way of one policy or another.

Carl Jung said people needed to explore the blood on our hands that comes from the violence of colonialism. We didn't have kings, but we treated many people as our subjects. This is a rude awakening, but I hope it can render us more humble and more vulnerable to caring.

Thank you both.

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